honey
I was going to post today about the concept of "ethical vegetarianism", but a mini-debate over at Vegan Lunch Box got me thinking about honey.
I know this is vegan taboo-land, and that vegans are passionate on both sides of the honey debate. Oh well, forging ahead. . .
There is debate among vegans as to the issue of honey: is it vegan? If it's not "vegan" then is it at least ethical to eat it? Many vegans will defend to the death the fact that honey is vegan; many other vegans argue that it is absolutely ridiculous to say that honey is vegan, because it's an animal product. Some vegans, as well, will say that honey isn't vegan, but sometimes they'll eat it anyways, or take it in their tea, or to soothe the throat during sickness, or as an anti-allergy medication.
Although I weigh in on the "honey is not vegan" side of the debate, I do see the point of the pro-honey vegans. Bees don't have central nervous systems; they naturally polinate our fruits and veggies and honey is a by-product of that polination; and bees sting you and are therefore not as nice as cows. I'm not being dismissive here-- bees really don't feel pain in the same way a pig or a chicken does, and many vegans feel that this justifies using them for honey.
Some pro-honey or honey-ambivalent vegans will state that public avoidance of honey makes vegans look like extremists. Maybe this is the case. I don't really think so. Why? Because I can't imagine this conversation ever, ever happening.
omni: So, let me understand you correctly. You don't eat meat, milk, eggs, cheese, by-products like whey, powdered egg whites, or animal-source mono- and di-glycerides.
vegan: Nope!
omni: You don't use leather goods, fur, silk, or wool.
vegan: No, none of those.
omni: You don't buy personal-care items with animal by-products or that have been tested on animals, which is essentially every store-brand I've ever heard of.
vegan: You got it!
omni: What about honey?
vegan: No, it's an animal product. Bees are harmed. And there are sensible and delicious substitutions.
omni: You don't eat honey? Whaaaaaat???? I was with you up until the honey. . . I was going to change my diet and lifestyle to exclude animal products after your logical explanations. . . but I couldn't live without honey!!!" (faints)
Does anyone else see how ridiculous the above conversation is? Does honey really make us "look" that more extreme? No, of course not. I can much more see this happening:
omni: So, you don't eat any animal products or wear or use them in any way?
vegan: Nope!
omni: What about honey?
vegan: Oh, I eat honey.
omni: Isn't honey an animal product? I mean, aren't bees animals?
vegan: Yes. . .
omni: (thinks) So, you're a hypocrite? What other vegan loopholes are out there?
I really think we, as vegans, need to stop hemming and hawing around the issue that we are extremists. In a world where we exploit animals for everything from clothing, to car tires, to food products, to beasts of burden, we are avoiding these things as much as we can. To the average person, we are extreme, honey or no. And since when does being extreme mean we should be embarrased? Abolitionists were extreme. Suffragists were extreme. Ghandi was extreme. I think living by that model of extremism is a good thing.
I mean, we're trying to live ethically and at the same time, not sequester ourselves in vegan convents. We must live among omnis, in a pro-meat/pro-enslavement culture. And we're saying "No! I will not eat a steak! I will not eat cruel, cruel eggs! I will not succumb to the charms of brie! I will not buy buttery-soft leather shoes because skin on my feet is creepy!" And people think abstaining from honey is going to make us look extreme? Puh-huh-lease!
And, slippery-slope precedent, big time. I don't want the term "vegan" to go the way of the dinosaur, or, for that matter, the term "vegetarian". Vegans who eat honey regularly? What's next, vegans who eat the eggs of rescued hens? Vegans who drink the milk of cows whose calf has died? Vegans who eat shellfish because oysters have no central nervous system? NO! A vegan, according to the Vegan Society who coined the term back in 1944: ". . . eats a plant-based diet free from all animal products, including milk, eggs and honey." I don't think they could make it any clearer.
Honey manufacturing exploits and uses bees so that we can eat their by-products. It's the dairy of the insect world. If it doesn't bother you, fine. . . but honey is not vegan, in my not-so-humble-'cuz-it's-my-blog-and-duh-its-an-animal-product opinion.
For the record, now that my rant is over: I'm not at all saying that if you eat honey, you are a bad person. I mean, I don't think omnis are "bad people" for eating meat and eggs and whatever, so I'm not going to hate on honey-eaters. I'm also not saying that, if you are a vegan who also likes honey in your tea sometimes, that you are a "bad vegan", necessarily. And, if you eat honey for health reasons, I would much rather someone with chronic allergies eat honey than take allergy meds (it really works: I can vouch. I can also vouch for the fact that when you don't eat dairy, you run a smaller risk of getting the allergies that would necessitate honey or meds. . . but that's another post). I am saying, I guess, that if you absolutely looooove honey, and eat it every day, and buy bottles and bottles of it, and keep your own apiary, or whatever-- you might consider not calling yourself a vegan. Beegan? Sure! But let's keep veganism for the vegans.
I also am just outright saying that the argument that vegans should keep quiet about our opinion of honey because omnis might think we're nuts: wake up! Most omnis already think we're nuts! Honey is not going to tip the scales! If you want to eat it, eat it, but don't come up with silly-ass masturbatory justifications. Yeah, I said it.
I know that insects are killed when the earth is tilled for my food, or when bugs smack into my car when I drive to work. This, in my opinion, is part of living on the earth. For me, being vegan isn't about personal purity. It's about reducing, and in some cases, eliminating, direct cruelty from my diet. Honey is avoidable-- eating and driving are not avoidable.
Now, I'm not 100% perfect. No one is. But honey has many tasty and cruelty-free alternatives. Where is the big deal? There are fewer reliable substitutes for eggs (especially in baking, cries the pudding-textued banana bread I made last weekend), but vegans eliminate them. I guess I don't see what the fuss is about, and how such an obviously not-vegan product could in anyone's mind, be vegan?


14 Comments:
I agree completely!
I never had a problem giving up honey because I never liked it. Just like giving up cheese wasn't hard either, it was something I never enjoyed (where I live, if you're vegan, that means giving up cheese with no substitutes, cause they just aren't available)
But all vegans know it's not easy, and it's gonna be a sacrifice, no matter how much people try to say otherwise. I mean, I had to choke down soymilk for weeks before I could stomach it, and eventually actually enjoy it. So if people can learn to love soymilk, and like you, have the occasional horrible baking experience, it's not so hard to use corn syrup or maple syrup instead of honey.
March 30, 2006
i agree with you and xsparklerx.
we most do what we think is right, the omnis always thinK we are weird so telling them not honey for me is not much, will not make them think we are nuts couse they alreadythink it LOL.
March 30, 2006
You're right: if one eats honey one shouldn't call oneself vegan. I also believe this to be trur about "vegan" knitters who knit with wool (I'm thinking about posting something about it, but I don't want to alienate my four readers).
As for the Greger article... that's just weird. I'll ask him about it when I speak with him and let you know what he says.
BTW-Love your posts.
March 30, 2006
I totally agree on the honey. I went vegan for many reasons and I don't see a reason to compromise on a sweetener (which I never liked). I've never had anyone question me on if I eat honey, I guess because they are so shocked trying to figure out how I live without eating any of the food that they usually eat!
shhh..I'm also a vegan who will not knit with any fiber that is animal, recycled or not
March 31, 2006
I was really curious to know how people would respond to this post, since honey is such a controversial issue. I agree on the wool thing, though-- ::not vegan:: When I went vegan, I de-stashed a lot of my wool, but some of it I couldn't get rid of. I figured I would just knit through it and then toss the rest. Now I look at it, and I'm so uninspired by it! Then again, I've got it easy because (1) I live in Florida, and (2) I've been going through a knitting dry-spell anyways. . . :(
Thanks for all the sweet comments, everyone!
March 31, 2006
Honey most certainly is NOT vegan. It's an animal product *duh*. But I think there can be arguments as to how ethical it is in the scheme of things. While I don't buy honey in a jar, if it's in an otherwise vegan granola bar, I'll still buy it. I figure that more insects were killed on the windshield of the truck driving those granola bars to the store than in the harvesting of the little bit of honey in the bars. But then again I don't call myself a vegan, Instead I say I eat a vegan diet (and 99% of the time I do) - it cuts down on people asking if I'll eat chicken, or eggs, etc. But I just don't really like labels!
March 31, 2006
I'm guilty of being one of those "vegan" knitters who knits with wool. Lately I've been saying something more like "strict vegetarian." Better yet, I try to explain to people what my choices are and why I make them rather than just slap a word like "vegan" on my lifestyle. That way, if they're open to it, I can discuss with them some of the complexities of the whole thing.
Now, in my case, I can choose what to call myself because it's personal, but I'll tell you what really bugs me: companies that label their products with "no animal by-products" and then list casein or beeswax in the ingredients. It's just plain deceptive.
And as for the banana bread, I just made some today using the recipe in How It All Vegan. I subbed ground flaxseed for the wheat germ and it turned out beautifully.
April 01, 2006
Nice post.
I'm a vegan who eats honey. That's because I realized that I'd be better off eating a small amount of local, organic honey that's tended by one beekeeper where they take one tenth of the bee's honey and don't smoke them, etc. than to take conventional allergy pills that have lactose in them.
I agree that honey is certainly an animal product - how could anyone argue that it's not? But I stand by my choice as it's more ethical than consuming a dairy product from a non-humane source, as you agree.
As for the knitting thing, that's another topic since I knit with recycled wool for a charity I feel strongly about that requires wool. But we are always making some choices that balance our needs or wants with our ethics. Some people still take regular photos and other use digital only, etc.
April 02, 2006
Great post! One suggestion: try the banana bread recipe in Very Vegetarian. It is amazing and not at all pudding-like.
April 04, 2006
Great post - I agree, I don't actively eat honey, but I would NEVER tell an omni that (unless I know them very well!), it's just way to ridiculous sounding!!
April 17, 2007
I know..I am vegan ...but what happens to me is that I buy a product...i swear i read the ingredients...and when I'm home it says that it contains honey..and i didn't saw that before..lol idk weird...Now I am reading the ingredients more times to be sure it does not contains any animal product..such as honey....
This happened to em today: I bought Cheerios Oat cluster crunch today..i read the ingredients..no honey no nothing animal...and then in my home i ate some...then i read again and it said honey!! does this happened to you at least one time in your life? haha well...i just omit the oat clusters (which are the ones with the honey), and eat the cheerios only...and btw General Mills in some of their cereals is now using Vitamin D3 which is animal derived! =( so bad..no i cant find cocoa puffs without D3 =S
that sucks!
October 14, 2008
i totally agree with you. Honey is an animal product and is not vegan. i don't even like the way it tastes or smells. yuck. driving IS avoidable by the way. i don't drive, i tore my license up and ride a bike everywhere i go.
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May 29, 2009
I agree with Mandy about the whole labels part. Shouldn't we just be supporting each other rather than causing segregation over individual consumption of honey. I mean, where I'm from Vegans are marginalized enough without other Vegans disassociating themselves from the honey consumers. We are all basically trying to work towards a common goal of a more animal-free life, so let's live and let live eh?
I've also learned that when on a tight budget, if it's a matter of survival one can't be a purist. If I had to choose between starving and a small consumption of honey, I reckon I'd choose the honey (not that I'm likely to be faced with such a ridiculous situation but hopefully you get the idea).
I did post this also in response to a fellow Vegan talking to me as if I was stupid for having half a teaspoon of honey in a recipe I used, they said "try agave (it comes from a plant) instead of honey (it comes from an animal, the bee)". Bottom line I can't stand being treated like an idiot OR rude people.
Food should bring people together not push us apart. Thanks.
July 05, 2009
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